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This misses one Conqueror on PC!

True Conqueror (Rank 12).

I am not quite certain how I triggered him, but I'd say it had something to do with defeating the Enlightened Conqueror in Lavafender and completing All Union of the Golden Chalice tasks, Things Unchangeable, and defeating all boss monsters in guild tasks, ie. Enlightened Seven, Lost Remnant, Jhana Royals, Fiery Gates, Idols, etc.

I have no idea how much HP he had but it was a hell of a lot way more than the 2000000HP that rank 8 has, took about 17-18 turns to defeat him with weapon arts, unique arts and arcanas. This was at BR123 with 5 unions, he is tough but not impossible to beat. Beat him first try, he'll sometimes do Animalcule two turns in a row which is a bitch!

The bonus for fighting rank 12 on new game is receiving ~12400000g when you start.

Mikeyakame 07:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It may have to do with completing all Union of the Golden Chalice tasks, since I haven't done so but I beat Lavafender's conqueror, the Idols in Darken forest, the seven in the catacombs, cyclops standard model, the jhana royals, the eldritch dragon in fornstrand, demigod, the lost remnant and the fiery gates, got the Things Unchangeable quest, and still fought the True Conqueror Rank 8 (PC Hard Mode). Fedejico 19:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm playing through on Hard this time and clearing out the Ancient Ruins now, then Underwalt. I'll post more info once I figure it out!

I've done all tasks for all three guilds (which means all DLC got beaten as well), got Things Unchangeable, and am still getting the True Conqueror Rank 8. Things that may have influenced this: I hired Roberto (maybe you can get Things Unchangeable, but not Conqueror Rank 12, if you don't side with Ophelia all the time), haven't got rank S in all trade areas (because there's one item in Malliem's Shop in Baaluk that still doesn't show), and haven't entered all optional areas (for instance, I have Blackdale Second Entrance in the world map, but it is still flagged as "New!"). Fedejico 22:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I got Rank8 on PC. I did all the guild tasks, and all the quests (except Hatred's End - I sided with Roberto); I hired all the leaders with descriptions; I opened up every location; I didn't maximise all leaders (where you talk to them with the red bubble several times). 150.101.101.240 11:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I got Rank 8 this time around on Hard with Dream's Edge + Sage's Stone, but didn't get Ophelia's Sword from At Hatreds Edge quest which I got the previous time through. That is the only difference I can think of between plays, perhaps Ophelia's Sword is the key to unlocking Rank 12 Conqueror.Mikeyakame 14:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure when you targed the Conqureror it said Rank 12?

I fought Rank 8 AC in PC hard mode at BR 122 and he has about 4 Mil HP. I think it's just hp scaling with BR and no really Rank 12.

The gold when you start new game is not a valid proof. I started my new game with 15+ mil gold on killing Rank 8 AC in hard mode with cleared 2 save game. In the hard mode play through I also started with 13+ mil gold killing Rank 8 AC on normal.

  • I concur. Starting gold is not proof of anything. There are more variables involved than just the rank of conqueror defeated. It would help if you stated under what conditions you spawned the rank 12 conqueror on the table below. -Corban1177 21:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit: I'm positive it said Rank 12 :) Because I'd never seen it before! It seems this game has some weird criteria for unlocking certain things. Wish I hadn't overwritten my saved game just before the sacred lands doors! Mikeyakame 12:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Could it be that certain special items are required, such as Ophelia's Sword, the Ancient Scabbard, and maybe something else? What is Ophelia's Sword good for, anyway? Fedejico 19:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It's possible since I didnt do At Hatred's Edge this time round, and I finally beat White Conqueror and got sages stone from Union of Golden Chalice, beat The Lost Remnant too. Went to the sacred lands and only got True Conqueror Rank 8! Took me over 70 tries to beat White Conqueror, but finally found a good setup for him and even with them its all luck really. The first turn determines how the rest of the fight will turn out. I found blocking all the arts i didn't want coming up from my party members helped the most, so first turn I would get Mixed Message lower morale command with Jager's union and Irina/Rush's unions would both get Give Defensive Support commands and flank him for healing the damage from his attacks. I found the trick is keeping them all alive as long as possible, and keeping morale as high as you can. Cachexia isn't needed at all, it just handicaps the fight for the lazy :) I didn't even have one unit with Cachexia in my party and though it might have been a little easier not having to recover from his EoT attacks, Mixed Message + Wards (Orphic Ward/Protection/Cheer) + Second Chance/Kiss Of Life/Rejuvenating Water are really all you need to beat him, and a lot of luck. If morale is kept above half most of the time he won't do an EoT AoE attack every turn, he will do it every 2 or 3 instead. Took me 10-12 turns to beat him, since half of the turns are spent recovering from the massive damage he issues. Mikeyakame 12:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC) .

Data Table

Here's a data table with the possible relevant info from above. Some other things that might influence the outcome may be the resolution of Emotions (which items you end up with), since the Ancient Scabbard seems to not actually be useless after all. -Corban1177 18:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Conqueror Rank BR Difficulty Times Cleared Counter Killed Enlightened Conquror? All Guild Tasks? Hatred's End? Other
8 122 Hard 1 Y N Y None
8 110 Hard 2 Y Y N Didn't get Ophelia's Sword this time around, but still got Dream's Edge + Sage's Stone and Conqueror is Rank 8. - Mikeyakame
12 123 Normal 1 Y Y Y None - Mikeyakame
8 133 Hard 1 Y Y N Not Rank S in all trade goods

I did kill EC, didn't finish all guild quest.

Edit: Updated my data Mikeyakame 08:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume the last row reflects the data I gave before, so I added my BR (133) and my times cleared counter (1). Fedejico 11:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Another possibility occurs to me. Did you fight Rank 8 Conqueror on your first playthrough Mikeyakame? Then the requirement might be something along the lines of "previously fought rank 8 Conqueror on this difficulty level." -Corban1177 17:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Conqueror Rank

Ok so I've confirmed Rank 8 requires Dream's Edge to trigger. I'll confirm Rank 12 requirements once I defeat Enlightened Conqueror, which is the last Union of the Golden Chalice task I have left. I'm pretty sure it is Dream's edge + reward for completing guild tasks! Enlightened Conqueror is ridiculously hard on Hard Mode, so might take some ranking up to beat him still, I'm only at BR 107, but defeated all except White Conqueror & Lost Remnant.

Which reward do you get for completing guild tasks? I mean, I completed all tasks from all 3 guilds and didn't get any special item of any other kind of reward.
Just in case it is of any help, I'll relate my experience with The Enlightened Conqueror in hard mode. The E. Conqueror in hard mode (BR 120 and above) can kill a full health 4-unit union at anything less than 50% morale with his EoT War God art, even with average union defence & mystic defence over 120. He's way harder than the Lost. What I did to beat him was having strong psionics melee fighters (i. e., they knew mixed message) and used the "Lower their morale!" command, which has melee unions use combat arts, so turn after turn I lowered the Conqueror's morale. Having a flanking union using cachexia (plus other three Cachexia units - Rush, Yuniver, Zolean), and a "give deffensive support!" union ensured no one went down almost until the end. Even then I needed about 4 tries with that setup. I also had Nora (equipped with Flachonelle) in my support union, and Blocter with Wonder Bangle in my flanking union (which had Baulson and Gaou -his eye cream heals for 4.000-5.000 hp- for healing duty, plus the Duke of Ghor for carnage). The E. C. may follow Animalcule with War God, a dire scenario that requires both quick recover and heavy morale control in the same turn. Fedejico 12:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I must be thinking of Sage's Stone. Which is rewarded from E.C.
I managed to get E.C down to red flashing health at BR 106 with 5 unions, he uses EoT arts way too often and it appears he uses them when you have more than certain health or unions alive. I get slammed with them nearly every turn, spare the occasional turn when he uses an Animalcule, Tao Tie [Conqueror] IV, or Abyssal Gate when it gives a recovery turn!
It's all luck of the draw mostly on first few turns, if you get the right commands it turns the tables quickly and if you don't you get eaten alive! Rejuvenating Water can be a life saver, for both health and full AP to pull off Weapon Arts next turn. My problem is at the moment I don't have sufficient health in a couple of unions to withstand his EoT/AoE attacks. Fatal Eclipse requires at least 6000hp to take the damage at full morale! I don't really use cachexia much as I find it sorta useless for the most part. Mixed Message I have on Rush/Jager which is extremely useful, and have at least 10 party members with psionics (addle/bluff), and probably 5 or 6 with wards. I have at least 6 or 7 members with Purple weapon arts which come in handy too. I'm using the following parties with formations:
1. Formation: Pyramid II, Members (1-5): David, Caedmon, Pagus, Darien, Snievan, HP: 9999
2. Formation: Rune Ring III, Members (1-5): Rush, Ludope, Torgal, Yuniver, Nora, HP: 9927
3. Formation: Church Bell II, Members (1-3): Irina, Blocter, Khrynia, HP: 5048
4. Formation: Trident, Members (1-3): Duke of Ghor, Glenys, Zuido, HP: 7308
5. Formation: Trident, Members (1-2): Jager, Emmy, HP: 5528
Going to play with them some more.
None of my generals haven't even learnt Rejuvenating Water in my Hard Mode playthrough, but could beat anything at BR 130. My unions were:
Counteroffensive II Duke of Ghor (Bilqis virtutis +3), Gaou (Obsidian Virtutis +3), Blocter (Shielding Executioner +3, Wonder Bangle), Baulson (Fafnirsbane)
Chariot II Legenday Ninja Emmy (Nightbloom Virtutis +2, Shielding Bluesteel +3), Jager (Shielding Glaive +3; had 192 strength), Roberto (Frostblade Virtutis +3, had 44 starting AP due to class + weapon), Warrior Jorgen (Blackbeak +2, Blackbeak +1)
Warhorse David (superlative bluesteel +2, superlative shield +3, Cerulean Rain), Torgal (gremory dominus +2), Caedmon (final weapon -Buer dominus?- for balanced tree, +2 bonus), Loki (superlative scythe +3, Cachexia), Nora (Superlative Blackjack +4, Flachonelle).
Catapult III with Legendary Commander Rush (Schiavona Virtutis +3, Rubber Soul), Thaumaturge Pagus (Ama-gi virtutis +2), Zolean (Emperor's blade, the one that yields Sanguine Blossom WA), Yuniver (Ousterlance +3, lousy weapon), Maddox (enchanted wand, whatever the name is).
All unions had >9999 hp, and >99 AP (Emmy's union had 121 starting AP; Rush about 140 AP). That setup yields awesome healing capabilites (all unions had kiss of life & resurrection item arts, plus two of them were immune to silence) and offers great morale control, since the Duke knows psionics, same as Jager, and the others go Combat arts on a "Lower their morale!" command. Fedejico 14:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

EC is not to hard if you use Cachexia. I have 5 union set up (4 combat, 1 Mystic) with full 9999 hp on all unions. All combat union in Trident with 255 Atk, mystic in Pyramid II with 3 Cachexia and 4 remedy casters. I killed EC in 3 rounds without him even getting a chance to go into Savage 3. 3rd round I spammed unique art + weapon art that each do 450K +. The only turn EC manage to get off an aoe was first turn when he Fatal Eclipsed. I was at high morale after turn 1 because I had a summon(Lobe Omen) and was able to do 2 rear assault with 2 Ninja leaders (Emmy and Rush) + Rousing Flare V from traps. I killed him at BR 91.

Normal mode, or Hard mode? Fedejico 14:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hard Mode. EC only has much lower hp then AC. I am working on getting Rush to Ordainer class. After I will finish guild tasks to verify Rank 12 AC. I still doubt he exists.

Mine.
David (Goddess Wristlet + Kelpie's Blessing, Enchanted Bluesteel + Superlative Targe, Cerulean Rain), Caedmon (Buer Dominus?), Pagus (Leanne Sidhes Devotion, Superlative Wand, Daisy Chain), Darien (Devils Fork + 3), Snievan (Rhongomynad Artis),
Legendary Commander Rush (Leanne Sidhes Devotion + Liafort, Shielding Hawkwind + Enchanted Soulshield, Hawkarang + Soulshield), Ludope (Dverg Artis), Torgal (Gremory Dominus), Yuniver (Optimal Naginata), Nora (Flachionelle, Shielding Blackjack + 3, Double Down)
Irina (Nightbloom Virtutis + 2, Dual Snowpetal w/ Khrynia Assist), Blocter (Fellwyrm + 2), Khrynia (Superlative Demonblade + Witchs Seal, Demonsblow)
Duke of Ghor (Bilqis Virtutis + 2, Bel'Kwinith's Fury), Glenys (Parrying Tatarachi), Zuido (Somberblade Artis)
Jager (Schiavona Virtutis, Schiavona), Emmy (Bluesteel + Bluesteel)
Arcana: David - Rejuvenating Water III + Blackout V, Rush - Rejuvenating Water III + Blackout + Whiteout + Fatal Eclipse IIIMikeyakame 14:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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